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A Tall Order For Tall Oaks?
Compare Foods is latest grocery store to come and go. What happens to the center now?
When Compare Foods closed its doors at Tall Oaks Village Center this month, it was the third grocery store to shutter in that spot in the last four years.
Longtime anchor Giant Foods left in 2007. In its place was international supermarket Fresh World, which closed in 2009 despite signing a 10-year lease. Compare Foods moved in in the fall of 2009 and was gone within 18 months.
Tall Oaks now has a nearly empty parking lot and a big, empty space, causing some residents to wonder about Tall Oaks' future as the Reston Master Plan Special Study Task Force prepares to assess the village centers' role in Reston.
"The community [near Tall Oaks] really depends on it," says Ken Knueven, Reston Association board member representing Tall Oaks and Lake Anne. "Tall Oaks needs a proper anchor. People who live near there want the basics.
"Tall Oaks seems to be the center that gets the least amount of discussion," he said. "I don't think it is malicious. Lake Anne and Tall Oaks represent the oldest part of Reston. The demographics are there though. I still think Tall Oaks could support a Trader Joe's, a Magruders, [or] a Safeway."
While big retail has struggled, many smaller restaurants are doing just fine at Tall Oaks. Mama Wok is a popular Asian food spot, and upscale restaurant El Manantial is thriving. El Manantial is seeking RA Design Review Board approval to expand and add patio seating to its space.
Knueven points out that Tall Oaks has plenty of apartments, townhouses and single family homes in walking distance. And as the Metro's Reston Wiehle stop prepares to open down the street in 2013, there will be more residents, more traffic and more desire to shop within walking distance of home.
That was the point Tara Coonin Winfree, former cluster president at nearby Bentana Woods, tried to make in 2007. Winfree felt so strongly that grocery store chain Bloom - which does not have a Reston location - replace Giant that she started a postcard petition. More than 5,000 residents mailed the postcards to Bloom executives, lobbying for a store at Tall Oaks.
"Bloom would have been successful," says Winfree. She says the two international markets that took the spot were a poor fit for the neighborhood.
"I wish I could just go up the street when I need something," she says. "But at this point, maybe it is time to try something different."
Among Winfree's suggestions: a drive-through coffee shop in the space that used to house Burger King (and has been empty for several years) and a kid-friendly play space.
"If there were a dog- and kid-friendly coffee shop, people would walk there," says Winfree, a real estate broker and the mother of two small children.
Marty Flax, senior vice president of Renaud Consulting, the shopping center's property management group, says the space "will probably not be home to a supermarket" in the future. He said he is close to signing an anchor tenant for the Compare Foods spot.
"Supermarkets have not been able to make it there," Flax said. "It is still a viable shopping center in Reston. But the way the center is situated, it is hidden. It really is a neighborhood center."
Meanwhile, some residents think it might be time to start over at Tall Oaks as Reston looks towards its future as a transit-oriented community.
"You have to look at it as 'what does Reston need? What is it lacking?" says Deb Pestronk, a Realtor with Coldwell Banker's Reston office and president of the Golf Course Island Homeowners' Association.
"It is hard for retail to succeed there," says Pestronk. "When I show buyers houses nearby, they ask me 'what is the deal with that shopping center?' The best thing they can do there is put in a mixed-use development, similar to what they are doing at the Metro. What we lack in Reston is housing for people 60 and over, who want to stay in Reston but don't want a condo. That area could become patio homes and small retail for the necessities."
Tammy Klinefelter Bane
1:42 pm on Tuesday, April 26, 2011
I think it is time for Tall Oaks shopping center to get a new look, similar to what they did at Hunters Woods, but on a smaller scale. For those who have been here that long, it is completely different than what it used to look like and at least to me appears to be a much more vibrant shopping center. ...and if that happens, the residents in that community might get their Trader Joe's or Bloom.
Jennifer Davis Heffner
1:54 pm on Tuesday, April 26, 2011
What it is need is something much smaller than a big box store - they should break that space up into smaller stores that have appeal - something like Arlington's Italian Store - http://italianstore.com/
or a Clay Cafe. Or maybe a microbrewery with an outdoor Patio.
You want it not only to be a place for the neighborhood but also encourage other people in Reston to drive to it to shop.
I agree it needs a facelift. :)
Karen Goff
3:13 pm on Tuesday, April 26, 2011
I LOVE The Italian Store. If Reston had an outpost, I would be the best customer.
mTa
11:49 pm on Tuesday, April 26, 2011
I love the Italian Store too. And...they carry world famous (well, maybe not) Bergers Cookies from Baltimore. Perfection in a confection. yummmmmmm.
Tammy Klinefelter Bane
2:29 pm on Tuesday, April 26, 2011
@Jennifer, I love your ideas....and you are right, it is too small a space for a full sized grocery store.
Jennifer Davis Heffner
2:42 pm on Tuesday, April 26, 2011
Thanks !! I also thought it would a great space for an artists cooperative. All the artists I know have studios outside Reston because there is no space here. You could break those up into a bunch of studio spaces they could rent out. It could also become like the Reston version of the Torpedo Factory in Alexandria. You could even have First Friday where families could come out and see the art and artists making the art the first Friday of every month. There is something like this in St. Pete, Florida and it's very successful.
Tammy Klinefelter Bane
3:05 pm on Tuesday, April 26, 2011
Another fabulous idea.....I would think it would be a huge hit. Maybe they could even include a small space for Grace Art.....
Kathy
4:29 pm on Tuesday, April 26, 2011
When the Lake Anne Comprehensive Plan Amendment was being discussed, I suggested a co-op grocery store there. While that might be problematic at Lake Anne, it could work at Tall Oaks. People would come from outside Reston to shop there.
The problem with an artist cooperative is that it has to be supported. Artists don't make enough money to pay the rent if they have to pay rent at a commercial rate. Now if a developer would proffer the space as part of a larger project... I do think a better arts location would be near the new station at Wiehle.
Diane Blust
7:30 am on Wednesday, April 27, 2011
Kathy - A grocery co-op is a wonderful idea. If you are interested in helping make something like that happen, please contact me directly: Diane Blust dblust@comcast.net
Thanks!
Jennifer Davis Heffner
5:27 pm on Tuesday, April 26, 2011
Great idea Kathy - They could do like they did in Rockville at the Vis Arts Center - http://www.visartscenter.org/. The top of it is a Roof top area people can rent out for special events, weddings, ect and it gives a great view. Inside is gallery space and room for artists to have studios at a discounted rate.
Let's hope some of these developers read the Reston Patch. :)
dickkovar@aol.com
9:00 pm on Tuesday, April 26, 2011
I love Trader Joe's, but the route to the nearest one crosses too much heavy traffic, has skimpy parking space, and even skimpier aisles, and it is years since I have been there. Tall Oaks would be the perfect place for a Trader Joe's. BTW, the infamous Reston Chamber of Commerce (or whatever it is called) has hit El Manantial's expansion plans really hard by arbitrarily postponing the hearing on its application so that the owners will miss all of the early summer diners they had hoped to attract to their patio dining in May.
Richard Holmquist
4:24 pm on Thursday, November 17, 2011
Sounds like a good Reston Patch article. Shouldn't the Chamber of Commerce be in the business of supporting an endeavor like El Manantial's expansion? I'd like to hear their reasoning.
David Barry
1:39 am on Wednesday, April 27, 2011
Boutique Wegman's
LF Morris
7:43 am on Thursday, April 28, 2011
That would be awesome! It would great to have a Wegman's closer than the one in Ashburn.
IJ
12:49 pm on Monday, May 2, 2011
Wegman's will probably never downsize but I ran across a similar concept (boutique) grocery in Baltimore County that has many of Wegman's characteristics :
http://www.thefreshmarket.com/
"The Fresh Market was founded on one simple idea: To bring neighbors, family and friends products they could savor and appreciate"
VA Vienna 150 Branch Road SE Coming Soon!
Glenn Kamber
2:33 am on Wednesday, April 27, 2011
Reston needs a theater complex similar to Shirlington or the Cinema Arts theater near Fairfax City. Both show independent films with limited distribution. I believe that such a complex would be well supported by not only Reston residents, but customers from all of Northern Fairfax County and the eastern part of Loudoun. The current supermarket space could be sub-divided into up to six relatively medium sized theaters.
Sidney K.
2:43 am on Wednesday, April 27, 2011
The At Play Cafe which is currently housed @ Hunters Woods is closing its doors on May 6th, I assume to lease issues again with their current building owner.....Maybe the owners of Tall Oaks could give some priority to them ASAP. Parents like myself are in desperate need of a place to take our little ones when it is a holiday, bad weather, or just for date night with our spouse on a Saturday evening......Please consider this...At Play is a nice place that needs a great landlord and more space!!! Thanks!!
Liz
4:50 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
An indoor play area for kids is a great idea, but it should be much bigger than the one that was at Hunters Woods. I've seen many successful ones in southern CA, but not here although I think there may be one near Ashburn. There needs to be room for a bounce house, climbing things, slides, plastic ball pit, play kitchen, other toys,... all of that in an indoor, year-round setting. Picnic table area for snack or lunch,... still indoors. It would work at Tall Oaks. Not necessarily a place to drop off your kids, but a place for them to play while with a parent or care-giver.
Sidney K.
2:45 am on Wednesday, April 27, 2011
I would love to see Reston also get a Walmart somewhere...that would be great business rather than having to drive all the way out to Loudoun County.....
Sidney K.
2:54 am on Wednesday, April 27, 2011
My last and final suggestion is in addition to At Play Cafe is a Chinese Buffet....One that actually can cook better than they do around here.....perhaps someone from the NY/ NJ area.....The food is way better up there and some REAL chinese food in a buffet form would be a nice treat!
Frederick J Barrett
8:05 am on Wednesday, April 27, 2011
W E G M A N ' S
Diane Blust
9:15 am on Wednesday, April 27, 2011
Why not a local grocery co-op (think Bethesda Co-op in Cabin John or Common Market in Frederick) or a local grocery store like the Maple Avenue Market in Vienna? As oil prices and food prices continue to rise, we would be well advised to cultivate (no pun intended) relationships with farmers within striking distance of Reston. If a group of Reston citizens could come together to make a local grocery store happen, we could provide a year round market for our local farmers. It's true, we might not have strawberries in January, but we would be making a huge contribution to the local economy and the the environment by cutting down on long-haul transit of the food on our plates. And, we might all learn to cook with seasonably available fruits and vegetables. If anyone is interested in following up on this idea, please visit www.sustainablereston.org or contact me directly at dblust@comcast.net. Thanks!
Christine
9:31 am on Wednesday, April 27, 2011
A Fresh Market would be great. The location is the perfect size.
Justine van Engen
2:18 pm on Wednesday, April 27, 2011
As long as people are making suggestions...
http://reston.patch.com/articles/rinky-dink-reston
David Barry
3:10 pm on Wednesday, April 27, 2011
Or they could just move the Dog Play Afternoon up to the main level and expand it into the food store space. Maybe they could take some of the human kids from the At Play Cafe that is closing as well. Doggie day care with kids on the side... it's a natural combination. On the other hand, I do kind of like the roller derby idea.
JoAnne Norton
6:07 pm on Wednesday, April 27, 2011
We actually could level it all down and plant our own vegetables. Actually, it needs some access from Wiehle. And if it did have a Italian shop, I would got a long way for a good cannoli.
The Convict
7:36 pm on Wednesday, April 27, 2011
This space should be left vacant until another grocery store can be put into it. With 60,000 more people coming to Reston (over my protestations) effectively doubling our population, we are going to need ALL of the grocery space that we can get.
mTa
9:28 pm on Wednesday, April 27, 2011
I'm thinking a combination FCPS Q and A booth, an Eagle Perch with a little Charlie's Angels style roller derby organic food market...just sayin' !
Justine van Engen
7:12 am on Thursday, April 28, 2011
I hereby commit 100% of my RA assessment to making this project a reality.
Eve Thompson
11:39 am on Thursday, April 28, 2011
I’m sure there’s a bunch of reasons why it’s not feasible but I don’t see why a grocery like Whole Foods or others couldn’t have small out-post locations that were serviced by their large central locations. I would love to see a mini-version of Harris Teeter, Whole Foods or even Trader Joes in at Tall Oaks and Lake Anne. That way you’d be covered for most of your needs and could hit the big locations when you have to do a larger shopping…why, why, why can’t this work?
Kristen
12:55 pm on Thursday, April 28, 2011
I think some sort of grocery is needed here to support the retirement home and all the housing nearby. I am walking distance and if there were a small Wegmans or a Trader Joes I would always choose Tall Oaks over other shopping areas. Trader Joes could certainly handle another location - current one is always packed. I like the ideas someone had of a drive through coffee house where the BK used to be too. People need reasons to go there instead of the other strip malls - a strong/popular anchor supermarket would do the trick. My issue with the Compare and Global markets were they were too niche. Great if I needed a special ingredient like lemongrass, or fish sauce, but if I just needed sandwich bread, all they carried was Wonder bread!
Connie Hartke
3:29 pm on Thursday, April 28, 2011
A Trader Joe's with adequate parking! Wouldn't that be great!
Humble Parent
1:08 pm on Thursday, April 28, 2011
An Upscale Resale?? Trader Joe's is the perfect fit - we wouldn't have to fight for parking anymore.
Mary Kornreich
3:12 pm on Thursday, April 28, 2011
Trader Joe's should move from its present site to Tall Oaks. There is not nearly enough parking at TJ's present location. It is nearly impossible to find a space there on weekends and very difficult on week days. Everything should be done to facilitate this move.
Wendy
3:40 pm on Thursday, April 28, 2011
I agree that it would be great to see a Trader Joes, and maybe a nice coffee house there. The idea of a drive-thru coffee shop is great - once people knew about it, it would get a TON of business!
I also think the other way to make that shopping center more successful would be to get some sort of agreement from Reston to allow better signage. So many people commute up and down Whiehle and would stop in if they knew it was there. Stuck in traffic in the morning? Go through the drive-through coffee shop. Stuck in traffic on the way home? Stop at the grocery store to pick up a few things...
Since I live in the area, I would walk there if there was a Trader Joes, Starbucks, etc. The last two grocery stores were not good, the vegetables were always wilted...
tom day
4:05 pm on Thursday, April 28, 2011
Agree with the idea of facelift and a microbrewery, or at least an upscale beer pub. Reston has no places that serve a good number of craft beers. So we have to drive to Mad Fox in Falls Church, Lost Rhino in Ashburn (soon), Dogfish Head Alehouse in Seven Corners, Arlington or DC.
jane blanchard
6:24 pm on Saturday, April 30, 2011
I like the microbrewery idea. Three supermarkets have failed, why try another? The Italian Store is another good idea. A friend of mine suggested a bowling alley. What about indoor soccer?
Joan Salvanelli
10:25 pm on Thursday, April 28, 2011
I would like to see an Amish Market like the one that used to be in Chantilly. Also Aldi Grocery store. It is a discount version of Trader Joe's.
Sidney K.
10:44 pm on Thursday, April 28, 2011
Actually I am going to revise what I would like to see here in Tall Oaks. There is a store that is based out of PA. There are 2 locations here in VA..one in Waynesboro and one in Harrisonburg. It is called Sharp Shopper Grocery Outlet.....it is an AMAZING store. LOTS of closeout items on many grocery (food) items as well as HABA, pet food, and bulk food products such as baking needs, seasonings and just way too many to list......This store would be perfect for that space and the parking there is adequate....write to the company and suggest they come here to Reston....it is not a "BIG" chain like Wegmans, Whole Foods, Trader Joes...they simply want to give great prices for their products......PLEASE WRITE TO THEM AND LET THEM KNOW WE NEED THEM HERE...NO MORE BIG BOX STORES....ALSO IF THERE IS A SMALLER SIZE space we also need a bakery outlet like Blue Bird, Wonder/Hostess......We don't also need "expensive high end stores" all over this town....not everyone living here is made of $$$$$$.....Times are tough for many!!
Sue Porter Beffel
7:58 pm on Friday, April 29, 2011
As a neighbor, love all the ideas! Especially the Italian Store refrain -- I used to live near that in Arlington and my carpool still makes stops there for special treats! the grocery coop! the coffee shop with pastries!
jose andrades
1:29 pm on Sunday, May 1, 2011
as a neighbor love all the ideas ? but righ now lets support very strong those who are really going forward for a very better future for talls oaks in reston, and they are EL MANANTIAL REATAURANT and MAMA WOK ??
Connie Hartke
10:31 am on Monday, May 2, 2011
Had dinner at El Manantial last night.
New thought -- how about putting the covered RA tennis courts here? I don't follow this very closely, but as I understand it, folks want it, just not in their back yard. Since so many grocery stores have failed at this location, including the original Giant, another grocer may be very reluctant to move in to that track record. Enclosed tennis courts, anyone??
Humble Parent
1:35 pm on Monday, May 2, 2011
I LOVE The Fresh Market - I go to the one in Asheville, NC. Kind of a little high end sometimes, but a wonderful store. A drive through coffee shop in the old Burger King would compliment it nicely.
Kristen
5:21 pm on Monday, May 2, 2011
I have been to the Fresh Market in Asheville as well - very cool store. And agree we support the existing businesses as well - any great store/shops that get added there will only help Mama Wok, El Manatial and Pho 75 - definitely want them all to stay around - these suggestions are not meant to replace the businesses that are already there...
Diane Allen
1:10 pm on Saturday, May 7, 2011
I have lived in the Tall Oaks area for over 30 years. I can remember when TO was a thriving shopping center with several eateries (and not fast food), a bank, hallmark store and of course Giant. I believe the Tall Oaks Community defitly needs a grocery store with a Pharmacy. I vote for Trader Joe's, Wegman's or even a Wallmart!! The clients that are in TO have for the majority been there for years. I am handicapped and having this store (Giant) right across the street was very helpful. I am hoping the management of the shopping center listens to the reston residents...especially the Tall Oaks community. Also, family members that visit the aging parent at Tall Oaks Nursing Center often pick up medications (Giant days).
Arielle Masters
3:20 pm on Thursday, November 17, 2011
NO WALMART :-<
The TJ's suggestion is excellent. Would be good to have a small pharmacy at Tall Oaks too, and a coffee/kid play/dog play space. If TJ's won't come, how about making that space into an all-year farmers' market with a corner for coffee (kid-play area adjacent to tables for the parents)?
Diane Allen
3:50 pm on Thursday, November 17, 2011
Can a survey be sent out to Bentana Park and neighboring communities? These are the people that will use it most and with a GOOD SIGNAGE - it will be no problem for a grocery store. All the people in the area of TO currently go to North Point Giant, Trader Joe's and Safeway. I remember the days this shopping center thrived!!! There is no reason it can't be a smaller size of North Point. This is especially very important with the subway coming!!!
Diane Allen
3:54 pm on Thursday, November 17, 2011
Forgot to mention....I am also all for Wegmans!!!
Richard Holmquist
4:21 pm on Thursday, November 17, 2011
As I recall from previous discussion on this topic, Giant didn't "fail" at this location. It was making money. They just scaled back and it didn't fit their format or something like that. I didn't think the other two groceries were the right fit for the spot.
I join the cry for TJ's, but I dispute that it would be a "small" Trader Joe's as some have been saying. I tend to think it would be larger than the other location and with more parking. Unfortunately, the location isn't as close to major roads as the existing spot.
Time for a face-lift and update, though.
Mike Smith
1:33 am on Friday, January 6, 2012
Karen, are there any updates from the management company as to what will fill the vacant grocery store location? Per the article above Mr. Flax stated they were close to signing an anchor back in April. Given the size of the location I wonder if the new tenant will be Bed Bath & Beyond or Total Wine.
Diane Allen
9:07 am on Friday, January 6, 2012
I am hoping "SOMETHING" goes in Soon!!! It has stayed empty and looks horrible for our community. I am often asked "what happened"??? There are many off us in Bentana Park that have been here for years and used Giant as well as the TO Restaurants, Cleaners, Vet and Dog Groomer. By the way many of these other stores have been there for some 30+ years (such as the cleaners and TO Vet). I am hoping something comes about soon....as the new metro is coming in and it will be a "missed opportunity"!!!!
Mike Smith
12:25 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012
I agree on needing something soon but doubt this location will really benefit from the metro. As a whole it's too far away and is too hidden. They've worked to improve the latter in recent years by improving signage and cutting away some of the trees, etc. but it still struggles. I just hope they fill the space soon with something that draws customers to the remaining businesses in that shopping center and improves the center as a whole.
Mike Smith
10:32 am on Thursday, February 9, 2012
Karen - Are there any updates from the management company as to what will fill the vacant grocery store location? Per the article above Mr. Flax stated that they were close to signing an anchor but to date there haven't been any updates.
Karen Goff
11:10 am on Thursday, February 9, 2012
There have been no updates that I know of. The property changed real estate reps a while ago and I have no new info from them. (ie, Flax is not repping them anymore). But i will check again with the new company.
Mike Smith
11:03 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012
Karen - Just following up to see if you've heard anything from the new company.
Mike Smith
3:59 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
Karen - Thanks again.
Diane Allen
7:29 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Anyone heard about what is going on at the old Giant at Tall Oaks? It looks like some clean-up and activity--but no announcements so far. Just curious.....
Diane Allen
7:29 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
karen--what is the new company?
Karen Goff
7:39 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Lincoln property management.
Karen Goff
7:40 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
I mean that is the new property management. I still do not know what company is opening at Tall Oaks. But when I do, you know I will tell you.
Mike Smith
3:06 pm on Monday, May 7, 2012
Hopefully something like Bed Bath & Beyond, Aldi's, or Total Wine will fill this space soon.
Ben
8:39 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012
This place needs a Kroger!